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title: "Article of Interest - \"Listening to Pain\" interview with Brene Brown"
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# [Article of Interest - "Listening to Pain" interview with Brene Brown](https://blog.thebusinessofgood.org/articles/article-of-interest-listening-to-pain-interview-with-brene-brown)

 Written by [Tim McCarthy](https://blog.thebusinessofgood.org/author/tim-mccarthy) | Feb 26, 2016 9:22:00 PM

Editor’s note: *I read Daily Good most days and like the things they lead me to. It’s a volunteer organization that collects and publishes quotes and commentary regarding social good. This is an interview with now-famous Brene Brown, the behavioral research scientist who wrote ***“Daring Greatly”*** (featured book of the month some time ago). Dr. Brown is always a tough read because she studies and deals in emotions like shame, guilt and vulnerability. These are universally felt but largely ignored barrier emotions to courage and authenticity so I plow through her work in hopes I can learn more and change my own reaction to such emotion over time. *

 Excerpt: (I love this because my Mom often admonished us: “it’s not you I don’t trust, it’s human nature I don’t trust”): The easiest way to separate shame from guilt is to say shame is “I’m bad” and guilt is “I did something bad.” Shame is a focus on self; guilt is a focus on behavior. An easy parenting example would be saying, “You’re stupid” versus “You’re a great kid that made a bad decision.”

[ http://www.dailygood.org/story/1227/how-to-listen-to-pain-jill-suttie/](http://www.dailygood.org/story/1227/how-to-listen-to-pain-jill-suttie/)

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